Spare tire questions from a Ford noob

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I too got to test out my spare this weekend. Can confirm there is no TPMS, tire is not perfectly balanced but very usable. Towed a few hundred KM without issue. Glad to have a spare and not repair kit like most cars these days.

Mine is a Crosswind 275/65/R18 A/T
 

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I had to use mine on vacation last month. I got a side puncture in Dallas on my way to Santa Fe. I couldn't find a Toyo Open Country H/T, so I called the Ford dealer in Santa Fe and had them order one. No issues with the spare - a Goodyear Wrangler. Both are what came on the Expedition.
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Was your spare balanced? Mine wasn't.
Ford doesn't balance spares. On other threads on this forum I have advocated getting your spare balanced and "flipped" so that the wheel faces down, making checking and filling the spare much easier. Thankfully they are still delivered with fully functional "near size" tires. My '22 KR PowerBoost F150 FX4 came with a temporary spare. Imagine losing a tire off road and having to depend on a tire with 3/32" tread depth to get back to civilization....That got replaced.
 

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Ford doesn't balance spares. On other threads on this forum I have advocated getting your spare balanced and "flipped" so that the wheel faces down, making checking and filling the spare much easier. Thankfully they are still delivered with fully functional "near size" tires. My '22 KR PowerBoost F150 FX4 came with a temporary spare. Imagine losing a tire off road and having to depend on a tire with 3/32" tread depth to get back to civilization....That got replaced.
The fact that Ford doesn't balance spares was a surprise to me. This is my first Ford so the lack of a balanced spare, not to mention the "split" lug nuts, were news to me. I even mention these things in my signature line as my way of hoping other Ford newbies take note.

I flipped my spare, which was an aggressive tread tire, not even close to the Hankook's my vehicle came with until I saw this idea in another thread.


I put this hose on and routed to behind the license plate area and now I can check the spare without having to get on my back under the vehicle. I keep intending to look into routing it into the area where the jack is located but haven't followed up. The wheel faces up so the side that shows when in use is protected.
 

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The fact that Ford doesn't balance spares was a surprise to me. This is my first Ford so the lack of a balanced spare, not to mention the "split" lug nuts, were news to me. I even mention these things in my signature line as my way of hoping other Ford newbies take note.

I flipped my spare, which was an aggressive tread tire, not even close to the Hankook's my vehicle came with until I saw this idea in another thread.


I put this hose on and routed to behind the license plate area and now I can check the spare without having to get on my back under the vehicle. I keep intending to look into routing it into the area where the jack is located but haven't followed up. The wheel faces up so the side that shows when in use is protected.
As much as I love the remote fill idea, I'm concerned about the tire Schrader valve being held in the open position for extended time and then having a leaky valve when needed. Make sure to bring a high quality valve cap with you that could prevent an issue.

Are there remote hoses that do not depress the valve stem?
 

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The differences in O.D. that some of y'all are talking about is no bigger differences than the tire gets as the tread wears down.

And I’d like to see what the “sidewall looks shaved down” means and how it happened.
 

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I have used a hose on spare tires for years. I have never had an issue with a Schrader valve leaking after a hose is attached.
 

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The fact that Ford doesn't balance spares was a surprise to me. This is my first Ford so the lack of a balanced spare, not to mention the "split" lug nuts, were news to me. I even mention these things in my signature line as my way of hoping other Ford newbies take note.

I flipped my spare, which was an aggressive tread tire, not even close to the Hankook's my vehicle came with until I saw this idea in another thread.


I put this hose on and routed to behind the license plate area and now I can check the spare without having to get on my back under the vehicle. I keep intending to look into routing it into the area where the jack is located but haven't followed up. The wheel faces up so the side that shows when in use is protected.
I led in a variety of roles at Ford over 23 years. My last job included, among many other things, all of the Truck and SUV wheel and tire machines and the associated processes. I'm unsure of other manufacturer's policies; but, Ford did not balance spares for the same two reasons that were used on anything that didn't affect safety, compliance, warranty, long term durability or measured customer satisfaction: Cost and weight. To balance a spare would require additional cost and weight. Many customers go through their entire ownership experience without using a spare, so, relatively few are ever affected. Factor in customer sensitivity to balance (even ability to mount their own spare) and the number of affected customers shrinks further.

In Kentucky Truck Plant where both SuperDuty's and Expedition/Navigators are produced, they have to mount, inflate, and balance a wheel/tire combo every 6 seconds. When I was in charge nearly 20 years ago we were running that plant about 112 hours a week, 49 weeks/year. 20 years ago, we could pull VIN specific data for years that listed serialized wheel, tire, weight, pressure, etc. of all assemblies for quality containment reasons. The completed wheel/tire assembly was all done with virtually no human contact. Think about that the next time you're sitting in Discount Tire watching them mount a new set of tires for your Expedition. It's a fun process to be involved with. People talk about high tech....that's high tech.

Probably more info than you wanted...

All that being said...I only drive them now. I engineered a spare wheel/tire combo (balanced) that stows and functions for my '12 GT500 because it came without a spare (!). I bought a right sized off-road suitable spare (mounted on stock spare wheel and balanced) for my '22 F150 FX4 to replace the temporary (virtually tread-less) spare that it came with (criminal). The '20 Expedition only needed balancing and flipping. The main reason for the orientation of the spare from the factory is a virtually imperceptible reduction in escape angle combined with increased visibility of the "hidden" spare, which styling did not like when the tire is secured face down on some vehicles.
 

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I led in a variety of roles at Ford over 23 years. My last job included, among many other things, all of the Truck and SUV wheel and tire machines and the associated processes. I'm unsure of other manufacturer's policies; but, Ford did not balance spares for the same two reasons that were used on anything that didn't affect safety, compliance, warranty, long term durability or measured customer satisfaction: Cost and weight. To balance a spare would require additional cost and weight. Many customers go through their entire ownership experience without using a spare, so, relatively few are ever affected. Factor in customer sensitivity to balance (even ability to mount their own spare) and the number of affected customers shrinks further.

In Kentucky Truck Plant where both SuperDuty's and Expedition/Navigators are produced, they have to mount, inflate, and balance a wheel/tire combo every 6 seconds. When I was in charge nearly 20 years ago we were running that plant about 112 hours a week, 49 weeks/year. 20 years ago, we could pull VIN specific data for years that listed serialized wheel, tire, weight, pressure, etc. of all assemblies for quality containment reasons. The completed wheel/tire assembly was all done with virtually no human contact. Think about that the next time you're sitting in Discount Tire watching them mount a new set of tires for your Expedition. It's a fun process to be involved with. People talk about high tech....that's high tech.

Probably more info than you wanted...

All that being said...I only drive them now. I engineered a spare wheel/tire combo (balanced) that stows and functions for my '12 GT500 because it came without a spare (!). I bought a right sized off-road suitable spare (mounted on stock spare wheel and balanced) for my '22 F150 FX4 to replace the temporary (virtually tread-less) spare that it came with (criminal). The '20 Expedition only needed balancing and flipping. The main reason for the orientation of the spare from the factory is a virtually imperceptible reduction in escape angle combined with increased visibility of the "hidden" spare, which styling did not like when the tire is secured face down on some vehicles.
Interesting information, thanks for sharing.

Not surprised that cost savings is one of the driving factors for not balancing spare tire. However, what continues to surprise me is Ford has made it clear, in my opinion, customer satisfaction is well behind cost savings. There has to be a better middle ground with customer needs being met then I am seeing from Ford. High customer satisfaction means high repeat business and that should be the long view from any company who intends to remain in business. Take that along with the incredibly poor customer service at Ford Dealerships in my area I'm unlikely to buy another Ford down the road. In the spirit of teaching an old dog new tricks, my experience has shown me the quality of the Dealership is more important, the vehicle choice is secondary to that decision. Meaning, I'll be shopping manufacturers dealerships in my area first and vehicle second. Having said all that, I'm extremely happy with my Ford Expy. I have not encountered (knock on wood) any of the issues so many forum members describe in many posts. Of course my 2020 is extremely low mileage compared to most.
 

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