3.0 and 3.5l performance upgrade

[5280tunage]

In response to:

https://fordauthority.com/2024/09/2021-2023-ford-f-150-3-5l-v6-ecoboost-performance-upgrade-revealed/

I realize the Expy isn't listed as a target model, but these are practically identical power plants. Any chance this would work for an Expy? I realize that a well done, custom aftermarket tune will be better at squeaking out more power, and allow you to customize things like throttle response, etc etc. But there's a few reasons why this is appealing.

1 - Maintains factory powertrain warranty. Aftermarket could "if provable, void the warranty."
2 - If anyone see what Cobb has been through lately, it's only a matter of time before any aftermarket tuner becomes the most wanted by the EPA and CARB. So for those of us with aftermarket tunes, what happens when they get shutdown?
3 - Sure seems to me that anyone with the right diagnostic system could duplicate this "tune". A before and after snapshot of the vehicles programming no?

$825 is quite a pretty penny to pay for something that's not customized to your build, but again, there are pros and cons to each.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

In response to:

https://fordauthority.com/2024/09/2021-2023-ford-f-150-3-5l-v6-ecoboost-performance-upgrade-revealed/

I realize the Expy isn't listed as a target model, but these are practically identical power plants. Any chance this would work for an Expy? I realize that a well done, custom aftermarket tune will be better at squeaking out more power, and allow you to customize things like throttle response, etc etc. But there's a few reasons why this is appealing.

1 - Maintains factory powertrain warranty. Aftermarket could "if provable, void the warranty."
2 - If anyone see what Cobb has been through lately, it's only a matter of time before any aftermarket tuner becomes the most wanted by the EPA and CARB. So for those of us with aftermarket tunes, what happens when they get shutdown?
3 - Sure seems to me that anyone with the right diagnostic system could duplicate this "tune". A before and after snapshot of the vehicles programming no?

$825 is quite a pretty penny to pay for something that's not customized to your build, but again, there are pros and cons to each.

No I it wouldn't work as the fine writing in the tuning could mess up the Expy's tuning.

1)I always have to repeat this to Bronco and Explorer ST owners. The warranty is only retained for the 3 year/36k warranty that starts at original new purchase of the vehicle. After that, it's considered an aftermarket part, and you seem like you pretty much know how warranty works after that with an aftermarket part.

2)Cobb isn't going anywhere. Huge topic on the Explorer ST forums. Let's say hypothetically, Cobb goes away, the tune you have currently will still work perfectly fine, just hope that you had all the revisions that you wanted. Also, if you have the tune before Cobb goes away and EPA goes after the company, they can't go after you, only obstacle for the user would be passing emissions.

The Ford Performance tunes are just expensive higher-end canned tunes, if that's what you want great, but for the same price other tuners are 100% better.

 

[5280tunage]

No I it wouldn't work as the fine writing in the tuning could mess up the Expy's tuning.

1)I always have to repeat this to Bronco and Explorer ST owners. The warranty is only retained for the 3 year/36k warranty that starts at original new purchase of the vehicle. After that, it's considered an aftermarket part, and you seem like you pretty much know how warranty works after that with an aftermarket part.

2)Cobb isn't going anywhere. Huge topic on the Explorer ST forums. Let's say hypothetically, Cobb goes away, the tune you have currently will still work perfectly fine, just hope that you had all the revisions that you wanted. Also, if you have the tune before Cobb goes away and EPA goes after the company, they can't go after you, only obstacle for the user would be passing emissions.

The Ford Performance tunes are just expensive higher-end canned tunes, if that's what you want great, but for the same price other tuners are 100% better.

So I feel like there are two different things being said here though. The actual tune comes with a 3/36k FPP warranty. Based on this article that warranty begins when the part is installed, but more importantly for me was the fact that it doesn't void the standard 5YR/60K powertrain warranty and in general, won't void a Ford ESP. To me that's bit of a benefit, and no, I didn't think Cobb was going away, but what they can do, what they can sell, and how the support what you've already bought will be hampered. And I can almost guarantee that's going to spread like wildfire, like the 5Stars, Livernois, etc.

Tune FPP - https://performanceparts.ford.com/warranty/include/pdf/Select_Parts_Warranty_Statement_2015.pdf

 

[LokiWolf]

So A LOT to unpack in this thread.

Yes, SO MANY better options. For those like the 23 F150 Ecoboost, this is a good option. Those can only be tuned with a PCM swap. But yes, they can that way. 24+ F150's are for all intent purposes untunable. Too many changes between 23 and 24 for a PCM swap to be a valid option. The PCM is years, if ever away from being cracked, and that is from the best in the business. Just like the 2025+ Explorers.

Pretty sure the 23 and 24 Expedition PCM's are like the 23 F150's. They can be swapped. The new 25's will NOT be tunable from 3rd party anytime soon. I mean years if ever.

This and Piggyback modules are going to become the only options for the foreseeable future. Not sure a Expedition will be my Wife's next vehicle, unless I pick up a 24 after the 25's are announced.

As far as the warranty, it is not in addition to the existing powertrain warranty. It replaces it. I do believe it is from the point of install, but there is some writing somewhere, that there are some limitations if your vehicle is above a certain mile. Can't find that currently.

You need some VERY specific hardware to duplicate the PCM at the level you are talking about, and it has to be done from a Bench not via the OBD. Plus depending on the year of the expedition, the PCM is not the same as the standard 150, it is the PCM from the Raptor...The Expedition has ALWAYS been a mix of modules and parts from the 150 and other Ford vehicles. Same challenges that plague us with FORSCAN.

I don't think there will ever be this for the Expedition. Right now they get people to spend what $5K to go to the HO motor, that is now nothing more than tuning. This is basically that.

If you have a early 4th Gen, and are close to being out of warranty, and want more juice, hit up Gearhead or ZFG, and get exactly what you want for the same price, custom for your vehicle and preferences.